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Old 19-11-2009, 18:08
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Great post Kate, dont worry there are lots of us who feel the same as you, I guess it must be very galling as you obviously put so much effort it what you do, dont be put off thats all.
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Hi Kate,
i really sympathise with you, i am renting long term here and my landlord is fantastic, he also has holiday apartments and i know he has not increased his rents for 2 or 3 years but still maintains them to a very high standard.
I also know that many PP forum members are as fed up with all the negative posts as we are, how do i know?...simples i have met up with them here and they have told me. In fact many have stopped using the forum because of it.
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try staying in berlin if you want to feel ripped off. Yes, I know we were in an hotel but 10euros for a pint of lager and a glass of indifferent wine. Now that's what I call a rip off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi folks

Only came to Puerto Pollensa (and Majorca) for the first time 3 years ago and already we have been 4 times,once in summer and 3 times in October. We were very much Menorca people before that, having been there almost every year(or every other year) for the past 18 years. We think that PP compares favourably with Menorca, as we enjoy fairly quiet holidays...not looking for clubs and entertainment every night and happy just to have a meal out and possibly a drink on the way home. Prices have increased everywhere, yes PP prices will be more expensive than those in Magaluf or Benidorm or the likes but would you want to stay in these places!!! Not if you like PP. If people want cheap holidays they should go on cheap package holidays, to cheap tacky resorts....not me, I would rather have 10 days holiday in PP than 14 days in a tacky resort. We have just booked for 11 nights in July and I hope that we are not going to be disappointed. Roll on!!!!!
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[QUOTE=ragdollabbi;37132]yes PP prices will be more expensive than those in Magaluf or Benidorm or the likes[/QUOTE]

Why should they?
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Hi Kate,
i really sympathise with you, i am renting long term here and my landlord is fantastic, he also has holiday apartments and i know he has not increased his rents for 2 or 3 years but still maintains them to a very high standard.
I also know that many PP forum members are as fed up with all the negative posts as we are, how do i know?...simples i have met up with them here and they have told me. In fact many have stopped using the forum because of it.
Come on Sparky you really think that people have stopped using this site because of the big bad people who sometimes tell it like it is?

People are members of this forum because they either love PP or are planning on going there and want some idea of what they are gong to. Probably more the former than the latter. Just because you love a place/person is doesnt make you blind to their downsides. Members of this forum arent moaning for the sake of it, they genuinely feel that unless it pulls it socks up a wee bit it might get left behind with so many other choices these days which wouldnt be good for anyone. Everything has to evolve and PP is no different.
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Interesting comments on this subject in to-days Alcudiapollensa blog.
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Come on Sparky you really think that people have stopped using this site because of the big bad people who sometimes tell it like it is?

People are members of this forum because they either love PP or are planning on going there and want some idea of what they are gong to. Probably more the former than the latter. Just because you love a place/person is doesnt make you blind to their downsides. Members of this forum arent moaning for the sake of it, they genuinely feel that unless it pulls it socks up a wee bit it might get left behind with so many other choices these days which wouldnt be good for anyone. Everything has to evolve and PP is no different.
No Rab i don't think so, i KNOW so, i have learned a lot of Spanish since i moved here, but can still understand English and that is what i have been told.
Nor am i blind, of course there are problems here but do you really think there is a place anywhere in the world that is perfect. If you know of somewhere please let me know, i will go and check it out. PP is still a hell of a lot better than where i came from.
I respect everyone's right to criticise the place but i have the right to defend it and hope to be respected for it.
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Come on Sparky you really think that people have stopped using this site because of the big bad people who sometimes tell it like it is?

People are members of this forum because they either love PP or are planning on going there and want some idea of what they are gong to. Probably more the former than the latter. Just because you love a place/person is doesnt make you blind to their downsides. Members of this forum arent moaning for the sake of it, they genuinely feel that unless it pulls it socks up a wee bit it might get left behind with so many other choices these days which wouldnt be good for anyone. Everything has to evolve and PP is no different.
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100% agree with what you are saying, we love PP as much as the next person but some people can not take constructive criticism. Rose tinted specs me thinks.
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Mmmmm lots of controversial posts about PP and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have tended to keep clear of these threads but I feel I have to put in my t'uppence worth.

Sure PP will not appeal to everyone some people will go there and wonder what all the fuss is about and find it "ordinary" some will find it expensive and not what they are used to in other, maybe, cheaper resorts.

Not everyone will have the benefit of the knowledge to know where the more reasonable restaurants and bars are, that of course comes with visiting a place and getting to know the pifalls, doesn't that apply to other places when visiting for the first or second time. But to say that PP is ripping people off in my opnion is unfair.

I have only been going to PP for 7 or 8 years and my wife and family have allways has good times and we have never felt ripped of at any restaurant we have been to. Sure not all the meals have been as good as we would have hoped but now we know where we like and still find new very good restaurants.

There are still bars where you can get a good old pint overlooking the bay for under 3 euros i.e. Miramar and El Ancla to name just 2 and restaurants where I could feed 6 adults with 2 courses, beer wine and sangria for little over 170 euros a tad over £25 per head. I couldn't have done that here with the quality of food we had in PP.
The exchange rate is taking it's toll on the prices but there is nothing we can do about that, but it's still not expensive only dearer then in the past.

People will all have different ideas opinions what angers or makes them feel ripped off.

For me, no I don't feel ripped off by PP it may not be the cheapest place to holiday but I know for sure it's not the most expensive I've been to some places in France, Italy and Spain that would make your eyes water at the expense, 95 euros for a small lobster.

I did debate for a while whether we would go back to PP next year, well for about 1 minute until my children said "we have to go back where else is there " and there 22/25/and 27 with varying husbands and partners and they can't wait go back. So we will return....

Any way thats how I feel. It wont be everyones opinion but thats life.

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yes PP prices will be more expensive than those in Magaluf or Benidorm or the likes[/QUOTE]

Why should they?
Because in the main the cafe's / Restaurants in these places are serving lower quality products or are serving them out of cheap tacky establishments

I had the need to go to Palma Nova to visit somebody last July ...... we were early and made the mistake of going into a cafe because they were advertising a coffee and cake for a few euros .......... the coffee was instant !!!!

Also there are many many shops and restaurants in places like Benidorm and Magaluf so there should be less people competing to rent them, hence lower rents ........ owners of shops and restaurants in those places are aware that the majority of visitors are choosing where to eat and drink based upon price as one of their main criteria and so they will generally apply the pile it high sell it cheap approach.

There are a limited number of commercial properties on the front line in PP or on the square and so I would think that supply and demand would generally ( though maybe not in times of recession ) mean the rents were higher than on a tacky strip in one of the more brash resorts, ........ so the owners will need to apply a different cost model because they will need to make more profit from the food in order to cover their rents .... so they need ot offer sufficient added value, therefore restaurants will try to provide good quality so people won't mind paying the additional prices.

So that's why PP is the way it is and why the other places are the way they are and long may it remain.

Also, this isn't new ........... 30 years ago when I first came to Majorca and was staying in the hell hole that is Arenal, I came to PP for the day ....... and the thing i remember most was that everything seemed to cost me nearly twice as much ......... but that it was lovelly. So when I grew older and had a family ...... where did I choose to come ....... yes PP not Arenal , despite Arenal being so much cheaper.

Also, this concept applies here in the UK ....... goods in the Tesco near my house are more expensive than the same goods in the Tesco store near where I work ( 30 miles away ) ........ houses where I live are double the price of the same size property close to where I work, price of a meal and drink in my local wine bar is twice the price you would pay near where I work ......... but that doesn't make me want to live there or socialise there. We accept this as the norm at home and make our decisions re. where we live and where we socialise based upon personal choice and our economic circumstances, we don;t expect things to cost the same in different areas, we know that almost everything will cost more in a more desirable place and we just accept this as a fact ..... so why do we expect things to be any different when we go abroad.

Face it ......... PP is more expensive than some other places , its a fact, live with it and enjoy PP for the great place it is and if you want a cheaper place then exercise your right to make your own choice and holiday somewhere else .......... simple.
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yes PP prices will be more expensive than those in Magaluf or Benidorm or the likes[/QUOTE]

Why should they?
logistics and market forces rab, as someone who travels all over the uk with work i have noticed great differances in prices from one town to the other, usually the larger the population the cheaper the prices (except se england) prices even greatly differ in the same town as they indeed do in pp, i would assume spain is the same

example; pint of lager in aberdeen about 3 quid, litre of deisel 1.09
3 hrs from aberdeen on the ferry to outer hebrides, pint 3.50, deisel 1.25
reason; logistics and supply and demand, simplez

meaning magaluf, palma nova etc a bit cheaper due to larger market share
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Thanks CD....my thoughts exactly....you have saved me the trouble of typing out a reply.....you must be reading my mind!!!
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Because in the main the cafe's / Restaurants in these places are serving lower quality products or are serving them out of cheap tacky establishments

I had the need to go to Palma Nova to visit somebody last July ...... we were early and made the mistake of going into a cafe because they were advertising a coffee and cake for a few euros .......... the coffee was instant !!!!

Also there are many many shops and restaurants in places like Benidorm and Magaluf so there should be less people competing to rent them, hence lower rents ........ owners of shops and restaurants in those places are aware that the majority of visitors are choosing where to eat and drink based upon price as one of their main criteria and so they will generally apply the pile it high sell it cheap approach.

There are a limited number of commercial properties on the front line in PP or on the square and so I would think that supply and demand would generally ( though maybe not in times of recession ) mean the rents were higher than on a tacky strip in one of the more brash resorts, ........ so the owners will need to apply a different cost model because they will need to make more profit from the food in order to cover their rents .... so they need ot offer sufficient added value, therefore restaurants will try to provide good quality so people won't mind paying the additional prices.

So that's why PP is the way it is and why the other places are the way they are and long may it remain.

Also, this isn't new ........... 30 years ago when I first came to Majorca and was staying in the hell hole that is Arenal, I came to PP for the day ....... and the thing i remember most was that everything seemed to cost me nearly twice as much ......... but that it was lovelly. So when I grew older and had a family ...... where did I choose to come ....... yes PP not Arenal , despite Arenal being so much cheaper.

Also, this concept applies here in the UK ....... goods in the Tesco near my house are more expensive than the same goods in the Tesco store near where I work ( 30 miles away ) ........ houses where I live are double the price of the same size property close to where I work, price of a meal and drink in my local wine bar is twice the price you would pay near where I work ......... but that doesn't make me want to live there or socialise there. We accept this as the norm at home and make our decisions re. where we live and where we socialise based upon personal choice and our economic circumstances, we don;t expect things to cost the same in different areas, we know that almost everything will cost more in a more desirable place and we just accept this as a fact ..... so why do we expect things to be any different when we go abroad.

Face it ......... PP is more expensive than some other places , its a fact, live with it and enjoy PP for the great place it is and if you want a cheaper place then exercise your right to make your own choice and holiday somewhere else .......... simple.
So how come Hostel Paris can do a pint of lager for 1 euro? How come restaurants can do MDD at lunch for 8 euros? How come the chinese restaurants can do their fayre so cheaply?

The "Face it ......... PP is more expensive than some other places , its a fact, live with it and enjoy PP for the great place it is and if you want a cheaper place then exercise your right to make your own choice and holiday somewhere else .......... simple" attitude I find staggering. Should PP be reserved for those who are affluent and those who are not should be confined to hell-holes like Arenal?

I genuinley feel that there is plenty of choice in the port to eat and drink depending on your circumstances which IMO ruins your argument CD. However some of the necessities in PP are staggering. Bread, milk, fruit 'n' veg, taxis etc. I feel sorry for ordinary families with children who perhaps who cant source cheaper stuff, who arent as fortunate as yourself CD and who cant just live with it.
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