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fil6699 18-05-2021 22:19

SORRY the paste did not work see next post for official ruling on invitations and how you can visit if you are not in a hotel or package holiday its scary reading but its Brexit

The words careful what you wish for spring to mind

fil6699 18-05-2021 22:21

Sorry but here is the official information re Visiting Invitation it seems yes all will need who are non residents
𝗔𝗥𝗧𝗔 𝗗𝗘 𝗜𝗡𝗩𝗜𝗧𝗔𝗖𝗜Ó𝗡 – 𝗙𝗔𝗖𝗧𝗦 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗨𝗞 𝗡𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡𝗔𝗟𝗦
Confirmed by the 𝗕𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗮𝗱𝗮 𝗱𝗲 𝗘𝘅𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗻𝗷𝗲𝗿í𝗮 𝘆 𝗙𝗿𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘀 in Granada and by Antequera National Police as well.
Like for all other nonEU nationals wishing to visit Spain and NOT lodging in paid holiday accommodation, but with friends or family instead, the host in Spain must apply for a 𝗖𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗮 𝗱𝗲 𝗜𝗻𝘃𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗶ó𝗻 for each person involved. 𝗢𝗝𝗢: 𝗢𝗡𝗟𝗬 𝗟𝗘𝗚𝗔𝗟 𝗥𝗘𝗦𝗜𝗗𝗘𝗡𝗧𝗦 in Spain can apply for this Carta for the family or friends they wish to receive in their own (or rented) home or a second home they own here, 𝗻𝗼𝗻-𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗼𝘄𝗻𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗖𝗔𝗡 𝗡𝗢𝗧. The latter can only receive nonEU guests in their holiday home if the property is listed as a holiday rental with the Registro de Turismo and they charge for their stay and provide the guests with a tourist rental contract and confirmation of booking. For those who rent their home, please check that the rental contract doesn’t contain a clause that prohibits guests from lodging with you, or only allows so for very limited time in case they intend to stay for several weeks e.g.
The procedure is a 𝘁𝘄𝗼-𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗽 one. You need to apply for the Carta de Invitación with the National Police in your area, with a cita previa https://sede.administracionespublica...es/icpco/index
fill out this form for each guest http://www.interior.gob.es/.../Solicitud+de+Carta.../
And Modelo 790-12 to pay the administrative fee. Tick ‘solicitud carta de invitación’. The amount of 74,31 euros will appear. https://sede.policia.gob.es/Tasa790_012/ImpresoRellenar
𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗱𝗼𝗰𝘂𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴:
✼ Title deeds or rental contract for the property where the guests will be lodging
✻ Padrón certificate not older than 3 months
✼ TIE or green EU residency certificate and passport plus copies
✼ Copies of the passports of the guests that will travel from the UK to Spain to stay with you
There is no fixed window to process your application, it depends on how busy they are, but generally no more than 20 days. Once you have been notified that your application has been resolved favourably, you can pick up the the Carta(s) de Invitación. You’ll need a 𝘀𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺 𝟳𝟵𝟬-𝟭𝟮, tick ‘Expedición de Carta de Invitación’. No amount will appear, you need to print the form and put in the amount of 6,43 euros times number of guests. So for a family of five, 5 x 6,43 = 32,15. Note that these amounts vary each time the State General Budget for the following year is approved and published.
Once you have the Carta(s), you need to send them to the UK so that the guest can bring the originals with them when they travel to Spain.
It will no doubt take a bit of getting used to, but this has been in place for all nonEU nationals for many years. Although the GOV UK website doesn’t mention anything in their ‘travel to Spain’ section, the Carta de Invitación is in fact in place for UK Nationals when travelling to the EU for tourist purposes, when not staying in paid holiday accommodation. As said at the beginning of this article, confirmed by official sources.
Proceso automático para la solicitud de cita previa
sede.administracionespublicas.gob.es

BREXIT THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING

bobley 18-05-2021 23:12

Yeah, thats the fairly worrying bit, but how do I get there? I believe you that I can rock up with my deeds etc..

I guess that...

I'll have to make a contract to rent my house to my parents/children etc for more than a month ?? (but that doesn't really abide by the rules above)

or I guess I'd fly out with them, get them through the border and turn round and come back?

I'll leave it for a bit I guess?

Gommar Goffer 19-05-2021 09:04

Does this mean that my daughter and son would need a letter if invitation to come a visit me from the UK?

fil6699 19-05-2021 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gommar Goffer (Post 132623)
Does this mean that my daughter and son would need a letter if invitation to come a visit me from the UK?

Yes it would seem so and can only be invited by resident it seems that anybody who is going to stay at your home madness , total madness :

bobley 19-05-2021 12:00

Eureka.

You rent out your spare room to a local couple for €100/month and then get them to invite you to your own house? Maybe they'd like to holiday in the UK while you're over there...

alcanadakid 19-05-2021 13:01

This is on the UK Gov website.

"The rules for travelling or working in European countries changed on 1 January 2021:

you can travel to countries in the Schengen area for up to 90 days in any 180-day period without a visa. This applies if you travel as a tourist, to visit family or friends, to attend business meetings, cultural or sports events, or for short-term studies or training
if you are travelling to Spain and other Schengen countries without a visa, make sure your whole visit is within the 90-day limit. Visits to Schengen countries within the previous 180 days before you travel count towards your 90 days"

Sparky 19-05-2021 13:40

It has been reported that Europe is to reopen its borders to fully vaccinated travellers :D,

Quote:

The conditions for vaccinated travelers to enter the EU is that they have received the complete vaccination schedule (two doses in most vaccines on the market) at least fourteen days before their trip, according to the consensus of the States. member at an ambassador-level meeting in Brussels.

The agreement must still be formalized at the level of ministers, probably this Thursday at a planned meeting of those responsible for Trade, and will enter into force as of its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.

fil6699 19-05-2021 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by alcanadakid (Post 132630)
This is on the UK Gov website.

"The rules for travelling or working in European countries changed on 1 January 2021:

you can travel to countries in the Schengen area for up to 90 days in any 180-day period without a visa. This applies if you travel as a tourist, to visit family or friends, to attend business meetings, cultural or sports events, or for short-term studies or training
if you are travelling to Spain and other Schengen countries without a visa, make sure your whole visit is within the 90-day limit. Visits to Schengen countries within the previous 180 days before you travel count towards your 90 days"

Sadly it is not up to the UK to determine rules of entry to another country the rules are set by the country concerned and at this time Spain is sticking to the invitation requirement if not staying in paid for legal accommodation ie Hotel or Holiday let with Licence .As it stands now only a resident can apply for an invitation for somebody to stay with them total madness. But this has been the situation for non eu for many years its just not been enforced as it looks like it could be now, This is what happens when you poke a bear

bobley 19-05-2021 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by alcanadakid (Post 132630)
This is on the UK Gov website.

" This applies if you travel as a tourist, to visit family or friends, to attend business meetings, cultural or sports events, or for short-term studies or training"

Yes, so when you arrive at the border, they ask why you're here, you say

"tourism" they say "please show me your accommodation details"

"to visit family or friends" and they say "thats nice, please show us you letter of invitation"

.....unlikely/maybe/probably... I don't know. Its a great way to kill off unlicensed holiday rentals, but it's also a real hurdle for UK owners of family holiday homes.

Bircho 19-05-2021 17:16

My understanding is that what is being referred to above is what you need to do when applying for a Schengen visa. Details are here:
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/sch...accommodation/

At the current time, UK has an agreed opt out of this regulation until September 2022 when it will come into force unless the UK and EU agree a mutual visa arrangement.

EDIT: Just to update a technicality. Schengen is not the EU but you get the jist!

fil6699 19-05-2021 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 132635)
My understanding is that what is being referred to above is what you need to do when applying for a Schengen visa. Details are here:
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/sch...accommodation/

At the current time, UK has an agreed opt out of this regulation until September 2022 when it will come into force unless the UK and EU agree a mutual visa arrangement.

:confused:
Hi can you show please where it says uk is exempt untill sept 2022 My Lawyers are currently looking into this situation as it will be a nightmare for so many people here

Bircho 19-05-2021 17:45

Here you go:
https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news...ct-uk-citizens

Bircho 19-05-2021 22:48

Just to supplement this, this is what Schengen also says:
Travel Documents and Entry Requirements for non-EU Nationals

Quote:

You will have to present several documents at the Schengen port of entry, in order to be permitted to enter, if you are a non-EU/Schengen country national, regardless if you are a visa-exempt or not.

The documents you need to provide when entering the Schengen Area are as follows:

Valid Passport. Issued within the previous 10 years and valid for at least 3 months after the date you intend to leave the EU.
Schengen Visa. If you are a national of one of the third countries in need of a visa.
EU/Schengen border officials may also ask for other information and documents such as sufficient funds, proof of accommodation, how long you intend to stay, round-trip airline ticket, the purpose of your entry, travel insurance, invitation letter, etc.

Please, make sure that the border officer gives you an entry stamp in your passport when you enter the Schengen area. Without a stamp, you could be fined or detained.

Until large groups start to enter there's no saying what else you will need as it does say may Thing is it is only until etias goes live in 2022.

Bootledodger 19-05-2021 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by fil6699 (Post 132633)
Sadly it is not up to the UK to determine rules of entry to another country the rules are set by the country concerned and at this time Spain is sticking to the invitation requirement if not staying in paid for legal accommodation ie Hotel or Holiday let with Licence .As it stands now only a resident can apply for an invitation for somebody to stay with them total madness. But this has been the situation for non eu for many years its just not been enforced as it looks like it could be now, This is what happens when you poke a bear

So therefore it isn't a "brexit" issue - it's a EU/Spanish issue. "Poke a bear"??? behave yourself.


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