closed thread
 

Super Moderator,my thread was not regarding the food in tex mex . it was about the sign, which I thought was in bad taste, I take you will be happy, when one of your kids tells you to clean the **** of your shoes before coming into the house. GPM

I agree that this thread was about the misuse of signs and not dredging up the same old same old.

I totally agree as well the thread was not the 'same old, same old'. It appears that as long as we are posting about how wonderful PP is all the time that's fine but as soon as there is a negative comment about the place the thread gets closed.

Unfortunately things aren't always viewed through rose tinted specs and the place isn't perfect... but anyone who owns property in PP needs to know about this sort of thing so that the appropriate action can be taken. IMO a sign saying wipe the **** of your boots is distasteful and not the thing you would expect to see in PP or anywhere for that matter!!

I think the point Jane was trying to make is that every time Tex Mex gets mentioned on here, the debate always ends up the same, there are those who love it and those who hate it.
And then as happened on only the 4th post Bony's get dragged into it, eventually it all degenerates into a huge slanging match with members being abusive to others.
This has happened so many times in the past and not just TM and Bonys, who could forget that terrible verbal attack on Belladonna (re: Latitude) because she felt the place was not as tasteful as it was under the old management.
I haven't seen the offending sign but agree it should not be allowed to remain and if it is still there when i go back i will have a word with the powers that be.

P.S, I forgot to add that i think we all have a right to know about these things, whether we own, rent or just holiday in PP.

Here we go again

Snowy, seriously - thats not helping!;)

Lyn, I do agree with what you are saying re slanging matches - how could I not! But you can't go down the road of closing threads because of what "might" happen 3 or 4 posts down the thread.
Along with many other long standing members of the forum, I am sick and tired of reading about the two mentioned places, but if they are mentioned in regards to another topic then so be it.

Perhaps a warning signal, as opposed to some inflamatory comment, could be put in place for any threads that appear to wandering into the realms of unsuitability, with the closure then put in place 3 or 4 posts after that if it has not calmed back down.

As has been seen many times before, if you put a total block on peoples opinions then something huge is going to erupt somewhere!

Many of us are not in the position to see what is happening to the area out of season, and are unable to deal with or support any actions whilst back in good old UK, so we appreciate those who are on site to give us the heads up on both problems and also what is changing for the better. As you say Lyn, that goes for all of us.

GPM

You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the fact that this post was also closed rather abruptly. The post related to the sign, not the establishment. If the sign was outside O lume would the post have been closed.?

A similar thing happened to my post on a drinks promotion that Bony's is running. The thrust of the post was that the promotion was irresponsible in my opinion and no establishment in PP should be running it. It got closed down when it went off track.

I see the modertators job is to keep things on track and avoid abusive comments being made not to close down every Bon'ys and Tex Mex post. Remember there are many new members on this forum who won't have a clue what all the fuss is about these places - I am not sure I do and I 've been here a year or so.

Adios

Dave

First of all the thread has only been 'halted' & not removed. The contents is still there & available for everybody to see.

Unfortunately there was already one post that had started to drag in the Tex Mex vs Bonys stuff that was completely irrelevant & sooner or later the thread may well have degenerated into insults amongst members & then directed towards the moderators. None if this achieves anything!

It is quite obvious from the thread that the general view is, & I completely agree, that the sign is offensive & completely inappropriate in a family resort. But getting worked up about on this forum will not get it removed or get any of the other issues that are regularly complained about here brought to the attention of those who can do something about it.

Therefore, I am requesting that those of you are resident or visit regularly, please can you find out WHO is the appropriate person to complain to & HOW visitors & property owners (who are council tax payers), can contact them.

We have no indication that they ever read this forum, or even use the internet, so we need to find out how best to make our views heard.

As a start, contact details for the Tourist Office are here Tourist Information - Pollensa - Mallorca Majorca, the Town Hall here Town Hall Pollença & their tourist web site is here Pollensa » TITULO.

Please post here is you have any more information on HOW to contact the appropriate authorities.

Thanks.

Pollensa, it was me who posted fourth and who brought Bonys into it. I think this is totally relevant. I must admit I find the hypocrisy on this MB staggering at times. The OP was about the sign outside Tex Mex. IMO this sign (not that I have seen it) is in no way different to the sign outside Bonys across the road where it states that it is closed on Tuesdays as "The boys are getting their leg over". Both signs are absolutely tacky and again IMO have no place in PP. However.......... for some reason the Tex Mex guys is derided on here whilst any criticism of Bony gets the thread gets locked. Why?

I wouldnt venture into either TM or Bonys as IMO neither of them are assets to PP but Im not hypocritical about it.

Totally agree with all said here. Debx and Bella are completely on track and the thread was about the sign and not restaurant. As Rab says the impression given by these signs is not the impression we as owners especially want to give to those visiting PP. Just not appropriate. It is with regret I feel that the people putting up these signs feel perhaps that they are funny or keeping 'in with the in crowd' whatever that should mean. It is their way of gaining attention.

We have a right especially as owners to have an opinion and to try to keep values. It is difficult to do this alone and this is where this forum helps. As Bella said, we are not in PP often enough to keep up to date with all that is happening and it is great that through this contact we are better put in a position of acting when we believe we should.

Personally I think the signs are out of order. Perhaps when in PP enough people will complain to those responsible for them to realise that they are not clever or funny and really rather silly as well as offensive.

Sparky, I see you removed a word from my reply, because it may cause offence, this is the same word in large letters on the sign of tex mex on the front of PP. I rest my case. GPM

Yes GPM and as i said in my reply it should not be allowed to remain. Unfortuneately i cannot remove it from the sign but i can remove from this forum.

dont get too worked up gpm you've still a long way to go to catch me up, every thread i start or post on gets closed

i post, one of the "favourites" dissagrees POST CLOSED !

Thats not true Gers

Come on guys, this is exactly what will get things stopped. Just let it go and leave the "discussion" for something that matters, and there will be plenty of those I'm sure!

I must say that I find all this rather disappointing. I always thought that the idea of this forum was for opinions to be expressed freely (within the bounds of decency).

Over a period of time I've seen some fairly heavy-handed moderation - I think that is a shame.

Excuse me Mrs Super Duper moderator but would you care to elaborate on your comment regarding the "terrible verbal attack" on Belladona. I actually take offence at what you have written as it was me exchanging views with Bella and it was not a terrible verbal attack. I had actually eaten there at the time and Bella hadn't. To be quite honest I dont think Bella took any offence the way you seem to have done. If you look back at the thread as I have just done there is a post from you thanking me for my comments.

Why on earth do we have SUPER moderators anyway what is wrong with moderator. I am with those who think this moderating lark is getting officious and heavy handed.

And you all wonder why posts get closed!! :rolleyes:

I agree this forum is moderated more tightly than others I am on and I don't like it either, but the site owner can set the policies and moderate how they like. You can either accept it or go elsewhere. That is the harsh reality.

The policy on this forum seems to be more for providing information on PP than discussion. Personally I don't see what is wrong with talking about Bony's or Tex mex. You dont have to read them and as long as no one is abusive or breaks site guidelines then let these posts run their course till people get bored or have run out of things to say.

I would rather have an active and lively forum than one filled with bland, meaningless one liners.

Adios

Dave

Sign of Changes?
 

If you don't like what Mr Tex mex is doing to PP then do what I do......vote with your feet!!!!! Does he care what you think?..........I doubt it!!!!!!

He owns many places in the town and plans to open even more of the same.....these places are earning him money!!!!!

Bony's????? Does the owner listen???? Tell Jose how you feel and see if the owner listens. If not........vote with your feet.

I am just back from PP and I have to admit that that area of the square looks like a tacky street corner in Magaluf.

Support the places in the port that try to improve the town and badly need your custom to survive.

Hello Klad, i was not referring to you. I was actually talking about someone called "Bathsheba" who was very abusive towards Bella, she was consequently banned from the forum and her posts were deleted.

Sound advice Rob, but the problem is alot of peeps, like me, enjoy Bony's and Jose. I think he makes the square , with his humour and quirkiness. I for one will continue to enjoy his overpriced, but large drinks. this is only my opinion of course. Lets face it, it's a love or hate place and we could argue it til the cows come home, but we'll never change peoples views about this institution

Hi

Have I come at a bad time ? Getting controversial or what ???

You may remember me from the 1st impressions thread. The guy who
spent so long perfecting his masterpiece of a post (he thought) that
he got timed out twice.

On my first post on that thread I tried to get over the point that
we all have different point of view etc, what gives me a great 1st
impression might not do it for you. And Vice Versa. We are all a bit
different in taste,outlook on life etc. :)

Will get back to that thread later.

I am as you know a "newbie" on here but have viewed this forum
for ages. Its great. My view of a discussion forum is that is what
it says it is, to discuss topics, not argue them, exchange views
and opinions etc, but keep it fun :D

Back to 1st impressions ?

Pine walk ?
Tramuntana Mountains ?
Stay ?
The Square ?
Los Z ?

Don`t stand a chance against that sign do they :) pure class isn`t it !!!

Don`t lower the tone guys :(

Keep PP clean

The Wizzard

I read this forum a lot and missed that obviously. Am I correct in thinking that if you express a view that doesnt conform with moderator management you get banned?? This site would be nothing without the forum expressing genuine views and experience.

I think Sparky said that Bathsheba was very abusive & therefore got banned, not for not conforming to moderator views. I think people need to take a deep breath & calm down!

I always find it's best to close a thread (with a double knot!!), otherwise we risk it falling apart at the seems;)


Gary

Just my Opinion - Don't want an Argument!
 

Thanks Cheryl

Some sense at last! Sorry I take that last comment back in case I upset someone!

I'm afraid its a sign of the times where people have become quick to reply before careful consideration of what they really meant to say!

It becomes far too personal. Lets have the reviews, good and bad, but not the continued criticism without recent experience to quote.

For example, I have spent and enjoyed many a night at Bonys in the past but have not been for a long time. It has changed over the years, and also I have changed.

As I have not been recently, I will not join in and continue to say its good or bad just to give my opinion.

If we keep to telling of our recent experiences, you are quoting recent opinion not opinion based on some distant experience.

If I don't like somewhere I wont go back. I will not continue to give my opinion until I have been back and wish to share my fresh experience.

I think this site is for providing relevant recent information which by nature must include your opinion on a recent experience.

I don't think the forum should be a chat room as then it will get personal with people disagreeing with one another and consequently becoming an argument.

Lets get back to passing on information on our recent experiences.

Thanks Zelda for continuing to provide this facility.

Yes thanks Cheryl, and very well said Hola its GL. Hopefully the forum can now get back to what it does best.

This forum is the only forum I have ever really been an active member of........ before I found it, I had stayed away from forums because they appeared to encourage confrontational comments, they would have members who would jump upon opportunities to be controversial and would often seem to be there to create an opportunity to debate; disagree; pick fault rather than inform.

When I first found this forum, the thing that attracted me to it was that it felt like a "nice club", people were always respectful of one another’s views, people accepted that others would have a different opinion and to be frank people knew that some things had the potential to inflame and just didn't go there; that led to a nice warm welcome feeling when you entered the forum.

There was hardly ever any moderation, but that was because there was no need to moderate - the members did it themselves.

Think about a situation where you are invited to dinner at someone's house; you are there with a group of friends and you and the hosts know that lots of the group have very strong feelings about something. The conversation veers towards something that is related to the "difficult topic”.
I would suggest that most people will choose at this point to steer the conversation away from the contentious issue to avoid embarrassment for the host, rather than throw in a comment which has potential to inflame. We follow this etiquette when dealing with people face to face, so why not on the forum?

So, back to the thread in question - imagine you were together face to face with a bunch of people who have strong positive and negative views about Tex Mex and Bony’s and every time the subject comes up it raises the same old arguments and makes for a not very nice atmosphere; you all know that what you need to do is agree to disagree and leave it there.

Someone makes a comment about the dreadful new sign that just happens to be up at the Tex Mex, this is new information and hasn’t previously been discussed by the group. You all believe it is dreadful (how could anyone not) and at this point you are all in agreement. Would you then just throw in a comment regarding the fact that another establishment had a similar sign and it hadn’t been criticised when history told you that raising the subject of the 2 places in the same sentence ALWAYS caused controversy and ill feeling?

I don’t think many people would, and the reason they wouldn’t do this is out of respect for the hosts and the other group members, because they know that making such a comment would send us all off down the same road again and actually lose our ability to have a sensible debate about the offending sign.

So if we would normally apply such etiquette when face to face, why don’t we do the same on the forum?

I understand why the thread was moderated, but I feel sad that we have come to a point where we need such moderation.

Thanks CD

for such a well thought out summary of what most of us would have liked to say if only we could have thought of it!!

PS I only wanted to say thanks but that was too short for a post!!!

I was going to add my own thoughts but don’t need to now, lots of sensible post and Gordon’s and CD post said everything I wanted to say and better, brilliant posts.

Can I just add speaking as a Moderator, not on here, I am dismayed by the lack of respect shown to the Mods and owner here, these people are supplying a great resource to us for free and spending their own time doing so. The task is thankless and payless, it’s a difficult job to decide when to intervene or when not to, you are always wrong what ever you decide to do in the eyes of some members. The Mods have been given the right to act for the owner as they cant be available 24 hours a day themselves, and they should expect the same respect the owner has. They are trying to do the best for the forum and should have our support.

Well said, Gordon, CD & Sws!

Well said, its a thankless task. I have been on this site for a number of years, only joining fairly recently. I wish the site had been available when we first started going to PP in 1987.

I must admit, since joining this site I have noticed anything negative about PP is very much frowned upon.

Best ignore what I was thinking!!!!

i feel moderators are an essential part of the forum (as obviously forum members are!) as they do keep posts on track. the various threads, a-z restaurant guide, restaurant location maps etc are a vital part of the forum and are most helpful to everyone especially newcomers who are trying to get a general feel for the resort and quality/type of restaurants/bars. if posts were not moderated and allowed to continue into slanging matches then that can result in fewer members which would be a shame.

keep up the good work, i for one truely appreciate it.

regards

gary

comments about anything
 

I absolutely love this site. I have been to PP 34 times, and own a small flat there.
We visit 6 times per year, in all seasons, and there is always a great time to be had.I love reading all the posts - whatever is said !

My problem with this site is that I have been "too afraid" to comment on many threads, as everyone (quite rightly) has a different opinion, and comments are often "shot down" or ridiculed.

Clearly, members must be allowed to say what they genuinely feel (within reason). Not everything is perfect at PP, but most things are!

All the best to all, keep posting !:)

Hi Bluesky - The vast majority of people who post on this site are extremely friendly and make you feel welcome. Yes you are correct that a few do have strong views. I consider myself to be fairly tough but even after posting many many times I find myself excusing myself and apologising in advance for any upset I may cause. We are all entitled to our opinion and I believe my views are as valid as the next person. I suggest if you feel you would like to post then do so and don't worry too much about a negative or personal reaction. I think they are few and far between and stamped on very quickly. Also I think a very good point to make is that you cannot be seen! lol

Hi all

After years of reading this site, months of dithering about joining and
weeks of actually getting around to it I joined. :o

Over the last couple of years I have noticed that some of the posts
have become a little more aggressive & personal in some instances.

My idea of what a discussion forum should be is that it`s an open
invite for anyone (tourist,resident,whoever) to have a civilised chat
with other users sharing tips & advice for the benefit of other users.

Discussion forums are to discuss not snipe, we all have different ideas on things but can discuss & reason without getting uptight about it. This is all
as I understand supposed to be a bit of fun between users and to help
promote PP to new visitors giving valuable advice to make sure they get
best out of their holiday.

Hope i`ve not upset anyone, just would like to see a little more focus
towards what the forum should be about. Fun, discussion & advice.

Thanks for reading

The Wizzard :)

After 3 pages of discussion about closed threads, I think we all have the same idea and all agree on how adult we should be about it all. We all want the same thing after all, so lets just get on with it! No offence meant naturally!:)